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--- wiki:editors_lounge [2014/02/22 07:32] – contrapunctus
+++ wiki:editors_lounge [2014/03/24 10:35] (current) – [Recommended Applications] digisus
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 ====== Editors Lounge ======
-This page should provide some space for editors to discuss content and direction of this wiki.
+In this page we will discuss about how to edit this wiki, ad what kind of plans we have.
-Please feel free to add/comment/delete/... things!
+Currently there are two sections: [[#todo-list_for_wiki|Todo-list section]] with many todo tasks, and [[#Hardware_support|Hardware support]] section, where new hardware database work is planned and discussed.
 ===== Hardware support =====
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 --- //[[wiki:user:contrapunctus|contrapunctus]] 2014/02/22//
+HW database looks nice! I added information about my soundcard, and process went ok. Template was a little bit hard to understand, but otherwise it was straightforward. Submission form would be easier method though. I think that could be achieved with Bookmarklet like we have in app submission (see http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/bookmarklet).
-===== Brainstorming for a todo-list =====
+I also got idea when added my card: should there be general tags for input? Like in_xlr or in_spdif? Now we have tags based by type and amount of inputs, like in_xlr_2
+Next big thing would have some kind of search functionality in frontside of HW database. Possibly based by tags. It really should be interactive, so DokuWiki guru would be really needed!
+ --- //[[wiki:user:heikkiket|Heikki Ketoharju]] 2014/02/24 21:55//
+Hey, happy to see your entry and that you dig the HW DB, hekkiket :)
+It seems like a HWDB on an actual database will finally be a reality, thanks to nido. A submission form as well as a dynamic (interactive) UI for the wiki-based index was being considered earlier (the current template was the best I could do, but it is naturally no match for a submission form :) ), but no point any more, for as the new DB comes up, it'll have it. I just saw the Bookmarklet mere hours before I saw this post - it is indeed excellent.
+Not sure what you mean about 'general tags'. Why?
+HW-Index entries for the wiki will get replaced by the RDBMS-implementation when it comes, but it's easier to transfer entries to the new DB when they're in the existing format (the new DB seems like it will be mostly based on it), so if anyone wants to submit entries in the meantime, keep them coming.
+raboof moved some old hardware pages to /hw/start. It'd be cool if someone converted these to the HW-Index format, I'll be doing as many as I can find time for.
+A note regarding HW-Index entries - posting links to insightful forum posts, ML discussions, and logs of IRC conversations about a device is encouraged, BUT, please try to list the important information from said links, and use the links only as source citations, like so -
+  * info from link1
+  * more info from link1
+  * ...etc
+    from $link1
+  * info from link2
+    from $link2
+That way, the links are there to acknowledge sources, yet the user doesn't have to wander around unnecessarily for the information, it's right there.
+--- //[[wiki:user:contrapunctus|contrapunctus]] 2014/02/25 1719 UTC //
+===== TODO-list for wiki =====
 Please add, comment, etc.
-==== Get the newbie page somewhere near being useful ====
+==== Extend newbie introduction article ====
-[[wiki:introduction|Introduction]] is as of now a very sad start for newbies who found this wiki...
+[[wiki:introduction|Introduction]] is supposed to be a starting point for newbie user. Please extend it where appropriate. Offer additional information as links for other articles in this wiki, if possible. Avoid external links: this is a introduction article, supposed to lead to more detailed articles in this wiki, so don't send user away.
-It should structure itself around different user stories and provide some starting points and guidance for each.
-Comments welcome.
-I wrote a [[wiki:new_introduction|New introduction]] page. Please comment.
+Being a newbie myself, I will give it a go to make the page better. Please do not remove the old intro page too soon as it contains mcuh valuable information that could be pasted elsewhere.
- --- //[[http://heikki.ketoharju.info/en/|Heikki Ketoharju]] 2014/02/17 22:36//
-==== Add release date and version to all applications in the database ====
+ --- //[[wiki:user:digisus|Marcus Dapp]] 2014/03/23 22:39//
-Seems like a dull job, is a dull job, but it should provide a better experience of this wiki once you can sort by it and
+==== Update all application entries ====
-hide e. g. 10 year old apps where you don't even get the source because a site vanished...
-Proposed starting point: Categories listed on the front page:
+Mark [[apps:start|application entries]] with tags: [[apps:categories:dead_link|dead_link]] for dead URL:s, [[apps:categories:unmaintained|unmaintained]] for unmaintained projects.
-  * [[apps:categories:software_sound_synthesis_and_music_composition_packages|Sound Synthesis]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:effects_processors|Effects]] (list) and [[apps:categories:general_audio_editors|Audio Editors]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:midi_software|MIDI Software]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:Multitrack_Recording_and_Mixing_Systems|Digital Audio Workstations]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:mixers|Mixers]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:players|Players]] (list) and [[apps:categories:recorders|Recorders]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:performance|Live Performance]] (list) and [[apps:categories:multimedia|Multimedia]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:MOD_Trackers_Players_and_Other_Resources|Trackers]] (list)
-  * [[apps:categories:general_music_composition_analysis_packages|Composition]] (wiki page)
+Please update also release date and other information while visiting at project pages.
+ --- //[[wiki:user:heikkiket|Heikki Ketoharju]] 2014/02/23 15:44//
+==== Update application lists ====
+Hide entries tagged with [[apps:categories:dead_link|dead_link]] from application listnings. Copy from example page: [[apps:daw_apps]]
+[[https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:tag#topic|Documentation for DokuWiki tag plugin used for sorting]]
+ --- //[[wiki:user:heikkiket|Heikki Ketoharju]] 2014/02/23 15:44//
 ==== Recommended Applications ====
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   * later we could focus on such entries and extent specifically this entries
+I suggest we will extend [[introduction]] article and link it to other articles. Those other articles will offer recommended choices for new user. If no such article exists, we would then write it. What do you think?
+ --- //[[wiki:user:heikkiket|Heikki Ketoharju]] 2014/02/23 15:36//
+Yes. A user-centric way of presenting the material and the recommendations would be to structure according to "use cases". For example, someone who liks to do recording with their keyboard is different than someone who wants to do looping with samples and voice, guitar players, etc.
+OT: 'signature' always inserts my email address instead of wiki:user:... Why? Can I change this?
+ --- //[[wiki:user:digisus|Marcus Dapp]] 2014/03/24 09:33//
 ==== Redesign front page ====
+Front page must have balance between offering information and showin links. Mainly it's for navigating to the contents of wiki. Some images would be nice also.
+ --- //[[wiki:user:heikkiket|Heikki Ketoharju]] 2014/02/23 15:44//
+Thought the same, started on it today. FIXME I lack perms to upload images.
+ --- //[[wiki:user:digisus|Marcus Dapp]] 2014/03/23 22:22//
+==== Tutorials page ===
+I think it would be more user-centric to have all the tutorials on the respective app pages. That would mean, the tutorial page would be deleted after all tutorial links have been moved. Thoughts?
+ --- //[[wiki:user:digisus|Marcus Dapp]] 2014/03/23 22:36//